Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

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Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:27 pm

Hi Guys

My Passat B6 is a SPORT 2.0TDI Model with nice extras but what buggs me if that is not have a highline (full screen) clocks and no multi function steering wheel.

I really want to have these fitted, can anyone assist me with this?


Which clocks should I buy (part no)? I would be happy with the black/white mfd ones.
In regards to wheel would a b7 wheel fit? and what controller (part no) would I need? anything else I would need to buy?
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:09 pm

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Imran » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:53 pm

Assuming you currently have red half height clocks.

If you buy a red full height cluster (clocks) then its plug and play, no new bits no nothing, will have to get the new cluster reset so it matches the milleage on your current clocks.

If you go for white cluster, then you will either need to cut the connector at the back of your current red cluster and wire up a new plug which will fit the white cluster, or buy a converter (I bought a converter), which will fit the white cluster and then source replacing cluster trim, as white clusters and red cluster have different layout thus different trim is required.

Any cluster starting with part no 3C8 or 3C0 will be fine. Any starting with 3AA are for a B7 and wont work properly.

You will need access to VCDS to recode the new cluster to match the shape of car you have. For example, if you have a saloon, and you buy clocks from an estate then the shape of the car displayed on the clocks will be an estate and you need to recode it to a saloon to match you car.

Also with white clocks, your can gateway has to be a minimum version of E, anything below wont work with white clocks, and also, you cant use clocks from a petrol on a diesel and vice versa as the revs wont match

This is what it cost me to upgrade from red full height to white clocks
new white clocks £55
trim £30 (from germany)
converter for clocks £25 (from china)

I then upgraded to colour clocks! yeah I know glutten for punishment :D so I have my white clocks sat somewhere going spare ;-)

Steering wheel cant help you with, mine already had the mfsw

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:29 pm

What year is your car?

Have you got access to vcds or similar tool?

For clocks it is more or less as Imran said.
I will disagree with information that 3AA clocks won't work as I have seen many working in B6.

When you fit new clocks you can rewire plug and you don't have to cut wires. You need to remove pins and insert to plug. Only couple wires needs new pins.

Are you going to do this yourself or are you looking for someone to do this for you?

As for steering wheel it all depends what year is your car as you might have old style airbag (dual igniter) then you will need resistor soldering on the module. If you got newer style (2007 up) you should be ok.

You might also need newer squib depending on what you got now.

MK6 steering wheel will require module that supports lin2.0 system - there are 3 available.

This is just general informations which will let you research that further or make a decision.

If you search this forum you will find all information as this was covered many times before by me and others.

I done my conversion few years ago so can't really remember all the part numbers from the top of my head.

Hope that helps.


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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Albrown » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:31 pm

Sorry to jump in, but why don't 3as clocks work properly in a b6? It's what's in mine and they seem to work, although I've nothing to compare too, what am I missing?
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:32 pm

Albrown wrote:Sorry to jump in, but why don't 3as clocks work properly in a b6? It's what's in mine and they seem to work, although I've nothing to compare too, what am I missing?
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Nothing as they do work no problems.


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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Imran » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:17 am

I was under the impression that with 3AA clocks, the fuel gauge and temperature scale doesn't work........

www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php ... 63#p711963
read near the bottom

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:22 am

I only saw two 3AA clocks that do that - both were faulty...
Personally, I had 5 or 6 sets in my car by now and they were ok.
At the moment I have 3AA from 2014 Alltrack and works no problems.

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:28 am

Jarek wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:29 pm
What year is your car?

Have you got access to vcds or similar tool?

For clocks it is more or less as Imran said.
I will disagree with information that 3AA clocks won't work as I have seen many working in B6.

When you fit new clocks you can rewire plug and you don't have to cut wires. You need to remove pins and insert to plug. Only couple wires needs new pins.

Are you going to do this yourself or are you looking for someone to do this for you?

As for steering wheel it all depends what year is your car as you might have old style airbag (dual igniter) then you will need resistor soldering on the module. If you got newer style (2007 up) you should be ok.

You might also need newer squib depending on what you got now.

MK6 steering wheel will require module that supports lin2.0 system - there are 3 available.

This is just general informations which will let you research that further or make a decision.

If you search this forum you will find all information as this was covered many times before by me and others.

I done my conversion few years ago so can't really remember all the part numbers from the top of my head.

Hope that helps.


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Hi Jarek

My car is a 2008 Sport B6 2.0TDI

I have access to VCDS

I would give it a go myself but if I feel stuck I would prob just get someone to do them, is it something you can do? PM me for quote for the job.
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:53 am

nizzex wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:28 am

Hi Jarek

My car is a 2008 Sport B6 2.0TDI

I have access to VCDS

I would give it a go myself but if I feel stuck I would prob just get someone to do them, is it something you can do? PM me for quote for the job.
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Tue May 14, 2019 8:02 am

Hi

Brining this old topic up :D

Never got around to doing the retro fit of new cluster or MFSW till now. Just got my cluster, trim and adapter//

I have a few question about the cluster swap.

- Can the mileage be easily be changed on the swapped cluster? Can it be done via VCDS?
- Is it a straight swap? removing old one and putting in new one. What sort of coding is required?
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 am

Straight swap but mileage requires special tools if the mileage is above 100 kilometres (if it is below it can be done with vcds).

So you will have to find someone doing the mileage correction or use it as is. Another option is to buy a cluster with 0 miles - I know VWLEDS on facebook has some available.

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Jarek wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:37 am
Straight swap but mileage requires special tools if the mileage is above 100 kilometres (if it is below it can be done with vcds).

So you will have to find someone doing the mileage correction or use it as is. Another option is to buy a cluster with 0 miles - I know VWLEDS on facebook has some available.
Dammit, the one I brought has like way over 200km lol, going to have to get this returned for one with less than 100km, I say the ones vwleds have but a little expensive for me yet at £120, I’ll keep checking eBay
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Wed May 15, 2019 4:02 pm

When I say 100km I mean 100 kilometres so like 60 miles.

Yes you can get some from eBay but add mileage correction + activation of the things like staging and £120 will make sense instead of random set.


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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Fri May 31, 2019 9:14 pm

I’ve picked up cluster with all bits, steering wheel, bag, module and an rns315. Going to install tomorrow hopefully.

I have factory front and rear sensors, will the 315 display ops or do I have to code?

Also will the cluster display navigation instructions or do I have code this?
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:47 pm

OK so after a few hours I got the cluster and wheel installed! Looks nicer already.

BUT I have noticed some issues...

1 - no power steering, abs light and wheel light on. I went for a short drive but this did not clear.

2 - menu buttons does not work, OK and arrows work, the radio up/down not working also?

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:02 pm

UPDATE

Angle sensor adaption has resolved abs issue and I’ve managed to code clocks so so nav appears on the cluster,

BUT

Steering wheel volumes buttons (up, down) not working and menu button is not working (only ok, up and down works) I feel like compatibility issue somewhere or something. I have the 8 button mfsw.”, not sure if this could be an issue? Any help?
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:14 pm

BUMP
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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Jarek » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:47 pm

Radio and clocks are using newer communication systems and 8 button wheel is the older type so they can’t communicate properly. 12 button would be a better idea.


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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by Rhinopower » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:22 pm

I did advise a 12 button wheel instead of an 8 but it fell on deaf ears.

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Re: Instrument Cluster / Clocks Swap + MFSW Retrofit

Post by nizzex » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:00 pm

Jarek wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:47 pm
Radio and clocks are using newer communication systems and 8 button wheel is the older type so they can’t communicate properly. 12 button would be a better idea.


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Thanks for confirming, tried to save money going down the 8 button route but now that i've learned it wont work, Ive managed to source an AK controller and 12 Button wheel +bag for £140 all in.

I'll update this thread when they arrive and are installed.

One quick question though, how does one enable OPS on the RNS315? I have factory front and rears sensors?
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