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Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Jim Hunter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:20 am

Hello guys,

I am trying to decide between B5.5 (1.9 130HP - 6spd) and B6 (2.0 140HP -6spd)...
Sadly most of these cars have at least 260k kms and I am wonder if they are reliable after that mileage ?
B6 seems a better example but I am afraid to get an 2.0 TDI after all these horror stories about them , from the other side a 1.9 TDI B6 seems a safer option but the 1.9 will struggle to move an heavy estate body with just 105 HP ???

Let me know what you think guys...

Thanks !

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by MiniMental » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 am

B5 all the way. 1.9PD is the best Diesel engine built when looked after. Period. The B5 is much better quality all over than the B6 and mileage isn’t a major issue for them. Most of the work should have been done by higher mileage as well.. Would rather have a Peugeot than a B6 if I’m honest... It doesn’t have any issues pulling. I don’t understand your reference to 105bhp passat after asking about PD130?


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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by ray112 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:30 am

MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 am
B5 all the way. 1.9PD is the best Diesel engine built when looked after. Period. The B5 is much better quality all over than the B6 and mileage isn’t a major issue for them. Most of the work should have been done by higher mileage as well.. Would rather have a Peugeot than a B6 if I’m honest... It doesn’t have any issues pulling. I don’t understand your reference to 105bhp passat after asking about PD130?


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1.9 tdi in b6 has only 105hp not 130 like in b5.5, so I believe he was meaning b6 passat with 1.9tdi for comparison with 2.0tdi

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by MiniMental » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:31 am

ray112 wrote:
MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 am
B5 all the way. 1.9PD is the best Diesel engine built when looked after. Period. The B5 is much better quality all over than the B6 and mileage isn’t a major issue for them. Most of the work should have been done by higher mileage as well.. Would rather have a Peugeot than a B6 if I’m honest... It doesn’t have any issues pulling. I don’t understand your reference to 105bhp passat after asking about PD130?


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1.9 tdi in b6 has only 105hp not 130 like in b5.5, so I believe he was meaning b6 passat with 1.9tdi for comparison with 2.0tdi
Ahhh makes sense


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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by ray112 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:34 am

All I can add to minimeltal's saying is that b5 and b5.5 are long lasting cars, so don't be afraid of little higher mileage, those cars are still great. My b5 has about 350k miles on it, that's like 650k in km, not bad at all, and still going without using oil and other troubles.

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Jim Hunter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:15 am

MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:31 am
ray112 wrote:
MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 am
B5 all the way. 1.9PD is the best Diesel engine built when looked after. Period. The B5 is much better quality all over than the B6 and mileage isn’t a major issue for them. Most of the work should have been done by higher mileage as well.. Would rather have a Peugeot than a B6 if I’m honest... It doesn’t have any issues pulling. I don’t understand your reference to 105bhp passat after asking about PD130?


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1.9 tdi in b6 has only 105hp not 130 like in b5.5, so I believe he was meaning b6 passat with 1.9tdi for comparison with 2.0tdi
Ahhh makes sense


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Yes that is correct : maybe the B6 1.9 TDI seems a safer bet ... ???

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Jim Hunter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:15 am

ray112 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:34 am
All I can add to minimeltal's saying is that b5 and b5.5 are long lasting cars, so don't be afraid of little higher mileage, those cars are still great. My b5 has about 350k miles on it, that's like 650k in km, not bad at all, and still going without using oil and other troubles.
650k ??? Wow !!! That sounds awesome !

Thanks !

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Gazwould » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:27 am

291,000 kms B5.5 here and far from dead .

Father's old B6 2.0 TDI could of died on
133,000 kms when the oil pump drive failed .

B6 1.9PD 105 bhp not bullet proof either as upper conrod bearings can wear through spot welding to the crank smashing a conrod through the block.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/v ... t-b5-2001/

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/v ... t-b6-2005/

Both cars in family at same time and mine would do 5 mpg more on a long journey .

Bit like the Golf GTI Mk2 and 3, whereas the predecessor was a better car .
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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Jim Hunter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:44 am

Gazwould wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:27 am
291,000 kms B5.5 here and far from dead .

Father's old B6 2.0 TDI could of died on
133,000 kms when the oil pump drive failed .

B6 1.9PD 105 bhp not bullet proof either as upper conrod bearings can wear through spot welding to the crank smashing a conrod through the block.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/v ... t-b5-2001/

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/v ... t-b6-2005/

Both cars in family at same time and mine would do 5 mpg more on a long journey .

Bit like the Golf GTI Mk2 and 3, whereas the predecessor was a better car .
Oh , these are more bad news about the B6!!! So at a mileage around 260k + kms previous owners should have fix the usual issues of the 2.0 (oil pump) ?

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by ray112 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:49 am

Jim Hunter wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:15 am
ray112 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:34 am
All I can add to minimeltal's saying is that b5 and b5.5 are long lasting cars, so don't be afraid of little higher mileage, those cars are still great. My b5 has about 350k miles on it, that's like 650k in km, not bad at all, and still going without using oil and other troubles.
650k ??? Wow !!! That sounds awesome !

Thanks !
Sorry my mathematics were little wrong 550k km,

234000 on speedo at the moment, another 120000 been gone uder speedo change or just clocked back by on of previous owners (I know history of this car for long time before I bought it ) , so 234k +120k =354k miles x1.6 =566k kilometres. Last 5 and a half years /110k miles under my ownership. Been 4 times through Europe without any problems. Head gasket was giving signs of leaking compression in cooling system since very first day I bought the car, but problem didn't get worse until this January, all time there was just increased pressure in coolant hoses, no lost coolant etc. Did head gasket change myself, plus installed brand new cylinder head(had a great deal I couldn't refuse ) so now everything is good against, and I believe that car will last for another 100k if serviced regularly and protected from salt as much as possible before winter kicks in. Damn, I didn't though to write that much :ymapplause: :D

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Gazwould » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:54 am

Very few fix as a preventative more so after , but some damage will be done as the drive key will be partially slipping for some time before total fail , a silly low pressure threshold and no warning below 2,000 rpm.

Failure can be anywhere between 50 - 400K miles , most common between 80 - 150K miles .

This is the oem 77mm hex drive key only , some later CR got oem 100mm that I've yet to hear of a failure .
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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by Jim Hunter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:30 pm

MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 am
B5 all the way. 1.9PD is the best Diesel engine built when looked after. Period. The B5 is much better quality all over than the B6 and mileage isn’t a major issue for them. Most of the work should have been done by higher mileage as well.. Would rather have a Peugeot than a B6 if I’m honest... It doesn’t have any issues pulling. I don’t understand your reference to 105bhp passat after asking about PD130?


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I just ask if the B6 1.9 with 105 is a better (safer) option than the 2.0 but seems it also has serious issues...

Thanks for the info !

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Post by dubber36 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:52 pm

The internet only tells of problems. Very few people write to say how good their cars are. There are many, many 2.0 PD engines out there that have been totally reliable. I'd steer away from the 170PD due to the afterthought DPF problems, but there are good 140PD's out there.
2004 V6 TDI gone and replaced with a 2011 TDI Sport DSG which has gone too.

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Post by Gazwould » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:15 pm

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by MiniMental » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Well, Skoda is the new VW. Much nicer cars imo. But for Passats. B5 all the way.


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Post by Jim Hunter » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:40 am

Thank you for the great info guys !
I will also consider Skoda as well...

After lots of reading seems that the 08+ B6 with CR engine 110HP and 5 speed is a good combo ?
Also BMM code 8v engine seems like a trouble free engine ?

What do you guys think?

Thanks !

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Post by Hilly81 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:49 am

Jim Hunter wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:40 am
Thank you for the great info guys !
I will also consider Skoda as well...

After lots of reading seems that the 08+ B6 with CR engine 110HP and 5 speed is a good combo ?
Also BMM code 8v engine seems like a trouble free engine ?

What do you guys think?

Thanks !
You seem set on a B6 whatever others opinion. If that is the case then just go for it.

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by ct.p » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:22 am

B5.5 but be prepared to spend a little getting it up to scratch. There will be some niggles to sort.

The B6's rust, the B5's don't and will probably outlast them.
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Post by dtr » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:39 am

Jim Hunter wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:15 am
MiniMental wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:31 am
ray112 wrote:
1.9 tdi in b6 has only 105hp not 130 like in b5.5, so I believe he was meaning b6 passat with 1.9tdi for comparison with 2.0tdi
Ahhh makes sense


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Yes that is correct : maybe the B6 1.9 TDI seems a safer bet ... ???
BKC engine up to around 2006 was fine if a little agricultural and sluggish with only 105bhp for such a large car.

The later BXE is a disaster and by all means best avoided. Google "conrod through the block" and all shall be revealed...

2.0TDI is much better still, but only the CR versions in Passat or Audi. (BKD was sort of OK if you got a golf or Octavia) - oil pump drive failures in PD ones

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Post by dtr » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:40 am

Jim Hunter wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:40 am
Thank you for the great info guys !
I will also consider Skoda as well...

After lots of reading seems that the 08+ B6 with CR engine 110HP and 5 speed is a good combo ?
Also BMM code 8v engine seems like a trouble free engine ?

What do you guys think?

Thanks !
Avoid BMM engine. In fact avoid all later PD engines.

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Re: Estate B5.5 or B6 ???

Post by caprixpack » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:06 am

Sounds like you'd made your mind up before asking the question.
Having been in the same position when buying our passat, I looked at loads probably 10 or more b6 tdi 140 and 170 and only 1 b5.5 tdi 130. Can you guess what I took home with me?
1984 924 2.0 n/a crystal Green - The daily
2005 VW Passat tdi 130 Highline Shadow blue -The wifes
2000 Peugeot 406 2.0 hdi - stood for 4 years, fresh mot and mostly working.

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Post by Gazwould » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:18 am

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I can't believe Aiden hasn't got one of these yet , he just loves to tinker .

Recon he'd buy a nice 1.9 BXE or a 2.0 with a cool 77mm oil pump drive .
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Post by MiniMental » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:01 am

Gazwould wrote:Image


I can't believe Aiden hasn't got one of these yet , he just loves to tinker .

Recon he'd buy a nice 1.9 BXE or a 2.0 with a cool 77mm oil pump drive .
Screw that. 2 B5’s present enough spannering between them to fulfill my hobby. Lol. Coupled with various other cars off here and local. Schedules full.

B6 is a pile of junk and I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole. Even the R36. Engine is nice, that’s it. Rather have the 3.6 4x4 Superb. Long Live the B5. I guarantee there will be B5’s on the road long after the B6 has vanished into scrapyards...


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Post by Gazwould » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:18 am

Good call , never knew they did a 3.6 .



Personally I couldn't live with the 23mpg .

Not the best looking but sublime quality and value for money . Stretched chassis offering superior rear leg room .

Only if the old boy had one of those instead of that B6 junk .

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